A contrarian progressive, old-school blogger, and co-founder of Vox who just joined Substack, Matt and I discuss the 2020 election and his new book, “One Billion Americans,” the case for making America greater by inviting more immigrants. We touch on many other topics: the progressives who find patriotism hokey, the black voters who support Biden more than white liberals do, the cancel culture on the right, Matt’s dissent over my use of “Christianists,” the importance of diversity in newsrooms, and the lack of intellectual diversity in places like the NYT. To read the piece he talks about in the podcast, "Black Lives Matter activism is working", which somehow earned the ire of progressives, go here: https://www.vox.com/2020/6/2/21276472/police-killing-statistics-african-american